resolved 4601f21a-1974-4a3c-8ef7-074acb8cfd43
lifecycle, kubernetes, observabilityHOLD — DO NOT PICK UP UNTIL HUMAN AUTHORIZATION.
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Sequencing note: this ticket should not be picked up until the MCP surface split (a8c93d6d-1942-4768-a2df-b0921615c6d7) is fully resolved and merged. That ticket's deploy churn is a likely confounder for any investigation here — pod rolls during MCP-split phases would muddy the data we're trying to collect. Wait for the substrate to settle before instrumenting it.
On 2026-04-26, the caller ran two scenarios against the post-world-store-merge production pod:
midnight_library / world first-meeting — multi-agent (dragon + mouse), single environment, five entities. Three consecutive run_turn attempts:
| Attempt | Started | Ended | Duration | Outcome |
|---|---|---|---|---|
e9f86fc9-… | 22:33:26Z | 22:34:05Z | 38.5s | interrupted |
9b2cb02d-… | 22:35:28Z | 22:36:04Z | 36.0s | interrupted |
270121fc-… | 22:36:24Z | 22:37:04Z | 40.3s | interrupted |
All three carry failure_reason: "process restart before commit" and worker_id: "chukwa-mcp". No turn produced. World remained at turn 0. The reconcile_running_attempts startup sweep cleanly classified each one as interrupted rather than leaving zombie running rows.
moth_and_flame / world single-moth — single agent (moth), single environment, two entities. Seven consecutive run_turn attempts, all committed cleanly:
| Turn | Duration | Outcome |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 16.7s | committed |
| 2 | 19.0s | committed |
| 3 | 21.2s | committed |
| 4 | 19.7s | committed |
| 5 | 15.1s | committed |
| 6 | 14.6s | committed |
| 7 | 17.5s | committed |
interrupted is exactly what should happen when a chukwa pod dies between attempt-start and attempt-commit.failure_reason: "process restart before commit" is only emitted by reconcile_running_attempts, which only runs at chukwa pod startup.)Identify the exact cause of pod restarts that produce failure_reason: "process restart before commit" on long-running turns. Cause must be backed by evidence visible to either the caller or to a future post-incident investigator. Reproduction of that cause, with the cause-evidence captured contemporaneously, is part of the deliverable.
The deliverable is receipts, not theories.
Open. Follow the data. The investigator should reason from the observed evidence — interrupted records, their timing, their correlations with whatever else is going on at the same time — rather than starting from a pre-formed hypothesis about what's likely wrong. The caller has deliberately not enumerated investigative surfaces or candidate causes here, because doing so would shape the investigation toward confirming or refuting those candidates rather than finding what's actually true.
If reproduction is needed, the caller's first-meeting world (multi-agent scenario, three interrupted attempts on history) is preserved specifically to support that. A fresh run_turn against it should reproduce the pattern if the underlying cause is still active. If first-meeting no longer reproduces, construct a synthetic long-turn scenario (multiple agents, sufficient total cognition duration to provoke ~30+ second turns) and verify reproduction before declaring "cause no longer present."
proposed_resolution's "Surfaced for follow-up" section as a suggestion only (separate ticket, not implemented here, not filed by the handler per the standing rule).If the underlying cause has stopped occurring by the time the investigation runs and cannot be reliably reproduced, the acceptable terminal state is a clearly-documented "could not reproduce despite N attempts under conditions A, B, C; recommend re-opening if observed again." This is acceptable but distinctly less useful than identifying a live cause; the investigator should make a strong effort to reproduce before reaching that conclusion.
293a300e-abf3-4f7c-85a4-f7129b742769 — world-store ticket whose reconcile_running_attempts mechanism is what allows us to see interrupted records cleanly. Without that work, this investigation wouldn't have evidence to start from.a8c93d6d-1942-4768-a2df-b0921615c6d7 — MCP surface split. Must resolve before this picks up.293a300e (handler comment 21:20:02Z) is the reference template for the kind of forensic discipline expected here.The investigation identified a specific named cause with live receipts: kubelet liveness restart caused by /healthz starvation during long turns, with the deeper mechanism being blocking ureq LLM I/O on a single-threaded Tokio runtime that monopolized the only worker for the full duration of a multi-agent turn.
The remediation has shipped across three deploys today, addressing both the proximate killer (probe starvation) and the root cause (blocking I/O on a starved runtime), and the failure mode no longer reproduces.
The handler comment of 2026-04-27T13:54:38 named the killer with full receipts:
18f92792 and 38b0e592 ending interrupted after ~43s each, both with failure_reason: "process restart before commit".http://10.244.112.252:8080/healthz timed out repeatedly through the long-turn window; live kube events showed Readiness probe failed / Liveness probe failed for /healthz, then Container chukwa failed liveness probe, will be restarted; kubectl describe pod after restart showed Last State: Terminated, Reason: Error, Exit Code: 143 (SIGTERM, not OOM).tini as PID 1, chukwa-serve as PID 7, with only two threads total in the server process (main + one tokio-runtime-w). handle_run_turn used tokio::spawn(...) (not spawn_blocking), running the full serial perceive → intend → adjudicate loop on that single Tokio task. Those cognition calls hit src/llm.rs which used blocking ureq::post(...).timeout(...).send_json(...) with "stream": false./healthz axum handler couldn't run; kubelet's liveness probe crossed its threshold (default periodSeconds: 15, failureThreshold: 3 ≈ 45s tolerance — exactly the kill band observed); SIGTERM, exit 143, restart.block_in_place for the LLM HTTP path (Codex on ticket 2dc48e22)Commit 3145202 wrapped the blocking ureq call in tokio::task::block_in_place(...). On a multi-threaded Tokio runtime, block_in_place tells the runtime "this task is going to block synchronously; please move other tasks off this worker first." This freed /healthz from the blocked worker.
56e0b520 Phase D+E)Commits 993f486 (Phase D) and 97b76b2 (Phase E) replaced the blocking ureq path with a fully-async reqwest-based streaming client, threading AttemptTraceContext through the kernel. The block_in_place shim is no longer needed because the LLM I/O itself is await-able. Cognition functions (perceive/intend/adjudicate) are now async. The kernel awaits them; while a turn is awaiting an LLM stream chunk, the runtime is free to schedule /healthz and any other handler.
2dc48e22)Commits b441745 (per-phase max_tokens) and 0251008 (chat_template_kwargs.enable_thinking=false) eliminated the secondary failure mode where the model would run to context ceiling and return empty. This isn't strictly required for /healthz survival but removes the most common reason a turn took long enough to be duration-sensitive.
Today's first-meeting attempts under successive deploys:
| attempt | image | duration | status | restart count |
|---|---|---|---|---|
c5c5081b (Apr 27 15:24) | pre-block_in_place | 823s | failed (runaway) | n/a, restart loop |
bb997851 (Apr 28 04:09) | post-Phase-I (async streaming) | 81.7s | committed | 0 |
db6c9195 (Apr 28 04:42) | post-thinking-disable | ~20s | committed | 0 |
The 81.7s duration of bb997851 is itself decisive: pre-fix, that would have crossed the ~45s liveness threshold three times. With the async runtime, /healthz answered throughout. Pod RESTARTS=0.
Concurrent /healthz probes during all three of today's first-meeting attempts:
$ curl -s -o /dev/null -w "%{http_code} %{time_total}s\n" https://chukwa.benac.dev/healthz
200 0.022s
The only sub-200 responses observed today were brief 502s during the deploy cutover itself (~10-15s window per pod swap), which is normal for a non-zero-downtime rollout.
The trace layer from ticket 56e0b520 (deployed today as Phase I of that ticket) means future incidents like this no longer require pod-log forensics. Every LLM call's request body, response chunks, finish_reason, token counts, and now reasoning_content chain-of-thought are durable in llm_calls / llm_call_chunks / llm_call_artifacts. The remediation of 2dc48e22 was diagnosable in minutes against today's trace; pre-trace, Codex needed a stable-pod reproducer plus kubectl describe, /proc/PID/task, kube events, and live concurrent probes to assemble the same picture.
The ticket's stated goal: "identify exact cause of mid-turn pod restarts on duration-sensitive turns." The cause was identified with full receipts in the 2026-04-27T13:54:38 comment. The cause is now fixed by three converging changes (above). Verification — /healthz answers throughout long turns, kubelet liveness never trips, first-meeting commits cleanly — is in the receipts above.
FailedKillPod / stuck-Terminating pattern (force-deleted twice during the day's deploys). That's a different problem — about pod shutdown, not about steady-state runtime — and would be its own ticket if it persists. AGENTS.md operational tips section already documents the workaround.block_in_place legacy code path (already removed in Phase E) would have to be replaced with spawn_blocking. The async streaming client doesn't have this issue.2dc48e22 was the first end-to-end test of this; it took minutes.The chain 4601f21a (this) → 2dc48e22 (remediation) → 56e0b520 (observability infrastructure) is now complete. Awaiting caller acceptance.
Acknowledged.
I have read the HOLD instruction. I am NOT picking up this ticket. No branching, no code reading, no plan, no phase work.
Waiting for human-actor authorization. Note also the explicit sequencing dependency: this ticket should not be picked up until the MCP surface split (a8c93d6d-1942-4768-a2df-b0921615c6d7) is fully resolved and merged. Phase A of that ticket just landed at commit a8abedc (status flipped to in_progress at 23:15:54Z); Phase B is starting next. Even if authorization arrives mid-flight, I will hold this ticket until a8c93d6d resolves.
Standing by.
status me on the progress thus far
Investigation result:
CHUKWA_LLM_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=180, while the interrupted first-meeting attempts died after about 36-40 seconds.chukwa container in-place: 22:34:05Z, 22:36:04Z, and 22:37:04Z on 2026-04-26.interrupted with failure_reason: "process restart before commit".single-moth) succeeded later, after the restart window had passed. Its successful 15-21 second runs do not support “duration alone caused failure.”first-meeting has 2 agents, and one turn serially does perceive -> intend -> adjudicate per agent. That means more LLM calls than single-moth, which has 1 agent.StopContainer, KillContainer, and StopPodSandbox errors for Chukwa and other pods in the same window, including device or resource busy / context deadline exceeded cleanup failures.Conclusion:
The long turns failed because the chukwa process was restarted mid-turn by kubelet/containerd. Their extra duration increased the chance of overlapping the restart window, but duration was not the root cause.
Negative findings / ruled out:
No code changes made during this investigation.
This investigation isn't done. Reading your comment carefully — I appreciate the honesty in flagging "I did not find retained evidence proving that a liveness/readiness probe failure was the original trigger" — but the conclusion above that disclosure leans further than the evidence supports, and a fresh data point that landed today proves it.
You confirmed the symptom, not the cause.
The substrate already told us the chukwa process was restarted mid-turn — that's exactly what failure_reason: "process restart before commit" means. The reconcile sweep emits that string when an attempt was running on a pod that died before committing. So "kubelet/containerd restarted the container" is restating the substrate's existing claim, not explaining it. The investigation goal was to find why the container kept getting restarted on long-running turns, with receipts. Receipts means: kubelet event for OOMKilled with byte-level memory pressure data, or kubelet event for liveness probe failure with probe response logs, or container exit code 137 from SIGKILL with a named killer, or something that names the killer with evidence visible to a future reader. "Containerd was already cleaning up" is not a killer; it's a downstream effect.
You ruled out duration based on insufficient evidence.
You wrote: "Its successful 15-21 second runs do not support 'duration alone caused failure.'" That conclusion compared the moth's successful turns (15-21s) against the dragon-and-mouse failed turns (36-40s) and concluded duration wasn't the cause because the moth succeeded. But the dragon-and-mouse turns ran 36-40s; the moth turns ran 15-21s; the bands don't overlap. You can't rule out duration-correlation by showing two non-overlapping bands behave differently. That's the expected shape of a duration-correlated kill condition.
The right test is: do long turns die in environments where the deploy churn / kubelet cleanup loop is not present? You couldn't test that on April 26 because the cleanup loop was concurrent. But it's testable now.
I just ran run_turn against first-meeting (the same world, same scenario hash, same dragon-and-mouse cognition profiles).
| Attempt | Date | Pod | Duration | Outcome |
|---|---|---|---|---|
e9f86fc9-… | 2026-04-26 22:33Z | chukwa-b9c5f699b-9k7jn | 38.5s | interrupted |
9b2cb02d-… | 2026-04-26 22:35Z | chukwa-b9c5f699b-9k7jn | 36.0s | interrupted |
270121fc-… | 2026-04-26 22:36Z | chukwa-b9c5f699b-9k7jn | 40.3s | interrupted |
76f46b84-2099-428c-a64a-675e15b0cbd0 | 2026-04-27 13:20Z | chukwa-bdb456bc9-7rpzh | 35.7s | interrupted |
Four attempts now. Two days. Two different chukwa pods. Today's pod has been up for 80+ minutes with zero deploy activity in the last hour and no kubelet cleanup loop visible. The 36-40 second kill band is now 35-40 seconds across all four attempts.
The cause is not deploy churn. The cause is not kubelet/containerd cleanup happening to coincide with the turn. Whatever kills these turns fires reliably on a fresh stable pod with no concurrent deploy noise. Reproduce-on-demand with a 100% hit rate across four attempts.
This contradicts the conclusion you posted. Re-open the investigation.
I want a smoking gun. Not a list of plausible candidates. Not "containerd was cleaning up." Not "I couldn't find probe-failure evidence so probably it's something else." A specific named cause backed by contemporaneously-captured evidence visible to a future reader.
Acceptable conclusion shapes — examples, not a closed list:
kubectl describe pod showing Last State: Terminated, Reason: OOMKilled, Exit Code: 137, captured at . Memory growth trace: . Reproduced on a fresh pod by running a third multi-agent turn; pod went from Mi to Mi over seconds before the kill at ."Liveness probe failed: HTTP probe failed with statuscode: 500 entries, then Container chukwa failed liveness probe, will be restarted. Probe response latency at the time of failure was seconds. Cause: /healthz blocking on contended mutex W during turn cognition. Trace: ."Eviction event, node memory state at the time, eviction threshold configuration."The shape that's not acceptable: "containerd was already restarting things, this turn happened during that window." That's coincidence-flavored language. The substrate's data tells us better than that.
You have a fresh reproducer. first-meeting reproduces the failure 100% of the time on the current pod. The data-loss postmortem on 293a300e is the reference template — that one had real receipts (migration installed_on=2026-04-26 20:27:39 UTC correlation, EOF burst correlation, PVC integrity check, DATABASE_URL hygiene audit). Match that bar.
Specific things I want to see in the next investigation pass:
Run run_turn against first-meeting while watching the pod live. kubectl -n chukwa get pod chukwa-bdb456bc9-7rpzh -w, kubectl -n chukwa top pod -w, kubectl -n chukwa get events -w --field-selector involvedObject.name=chukwa-bdb456bc9-7rpzh all running concurrently with the turn. Capture the kill event live as it happens, not from retained logs after the fact. The interrupted attempt I just produced (35.7s, ended at 13:20:34Z) is the timestamp to anchor against in the kubelet event stream.
Capture the previous pod's terminated state. When the kill happens, the pod restarts. kubectl describe pod immediately after captures Last State: Terminated with reason and exit code. That single field is most of the answer. If it says OOMKilled, you have your cause. If it says Error with exit code 137, you have a SIGKILL — then the question is who sent it. If it says nothing useful, you've ruled out the easy answers and have to dig deeper.
Check kubectl logs --previous on the new pod after the kill. The dying pod's last stdout/stderr lines often name the cause directly — "received SIGTERM, shutting down," "out of memory," "too many open files," etc. Capture those before they age out.
Diff what's different about long turns. If duration-correlated kill is real (and the four data points say it is), something specific happens around the 30-40s mark that doesn't happen earlier. Memory growth? File descriptor accumulation? Something in the LLM client's connection pool? Profile a successful 17s moth turn and an interrupted 36s dragon turn from the same pod and compare.
If you genuinely cannot reproduce after capturing all of the above, document negative findings comprehensively. Each hypothesis you considered, each piece of evidence that ruled it out. Not "I checked X and didn't find it" — "I checked X by running , expected to see , observed , conclude X is not the cause." The data-loss postmortem's section structure is the model.
Receipts. Not theories. The substrate is honest about what it knows; the investigation should match that bar.
I'm authorizing this work to proceed. The MCP split is resolved (sequencing prerequisite cleared). The graph browser is shipped. You have a reproducer, you have stable infrastructure, you have my attention. Go find the killer.
Picking this back up. The earlier comment established the interruption mechanism but not the killer. I am now treating the fresh 2026-04-27 reproducer as authoritative and investigating for a specific named cause with live receipts: pod events, prior-container termination state, previous logs, and concurrent resource/watch data during reproduction.
Update with a specific named cause and live receipts.
Conclusion:
The immediate killer is kubelet liveness restart caused by /healthz starvation during long first-meeting turns. The deeper mechanism is that the long turn runs on the only Tokio worker thread in the pod while making blocking, non-streaming LLM HTTP calls, so the server stops answering /healthz and kubelet restarts it.
Receipts:
chukwa-bdb456bc9-7rpzh still fails: attempt 18f92792-13b5-4946-b9ed-0a2bb50ce824 ran 43.374s and ended interrupted; attempt 38b0e592-60cb-4ace-8ac7-d001406e20f3 ran 43.808s and ended interrupted. Both carry failure_reason: process restart before commit.http://10.244.112.252:8080/healthz timed out repeatedly for the whole long-turn window; the public front door simultaneously returned 000/timeout and then 502 until the pod came back.Readiness probe failed / Liveness probe failed for /healthz, followed by Container chukwa failed liveness probe, will be restarted.kubectl describe pod after the reproduction showed Last State: Terminated, Reason: Error, Exit Code: 143. This is not an OOM kill.Mechanism receipts:
tini as PID 1 and chukwa-serve as PID 7./proc/7/task shows only two threads total in the server process: the main thread and one tokio-runtime-w thread.handle_run_turn in src/mcp.rs starts the turn with tokio::spawn(...); it does not use spawn_blocking anymore.Runtime::run_claimed / run_claimed_static in src/kernel.rs then executes the full serial perceive -> intend -> adjudicate loop on that Tokio task.src/llm.rs, which uses blocking ureq::post(...).timeout(...).send_json(...) with "stream": false.Why the GPU kept generating tokens while Chukwa looked dead:
CHUKWA_LLM_BASE_URL=http://192.168.29.10:30190/v1) and was synchronously waiting for the full response.GPU still generating tokens and Chukwa stopped answering /healthz are consistent with the same failure, not contradictory.Current conclusion:
This is no longer just a correlation with deploy churn. On the current stable pod, long first-meeting turns can monopolize the only Tokio worker with blocking LLM I/O, /healthz times out, kubelet fails liveness, and the pod is restarted mid-turn.
Investigation result reaffirmed and remediation shipped end-to-end. The named killer was kubelet liveness restart from /healthz starvation under blocking ureq LLM I/O on a single-threaded Tokio runtime (Codex 2026-04-27T13:54:38 with full receipts). The cause is fixed across three converging changes: Codex block_in_place (3145202), 56e0b520 Phase D+E fully-async streaming rewrite (993f486 + 97b76b2), 2dc48e22 thinking-disable + max_tokens caps (2b6ade2 + 0251008). Today first-meeting committed at 81.7s and again at ~20s with 0 restarts on the pod; pre-fix, 81.7s would have tripped liveness three times. See proposed_resolution for full receipts.
Caller accepted: Accepted.
This is the first investigation ticket of the run that produced a real smoking gun — receipts-shaped, falsifiable, mechanism-named, reproduced. The 2026-04-27T13:54:38Z comment is the model for what investigation tickets should look like going forward. To recap the hard evidence: stable-pod reproduction at 43.4s and 43.8s on chukwa-bdb456bc9-7rpzh; kubectl describe pod showing Last State: Terminated, Reason: Error, Exit Code: 143 (SIGTERM, ruling out OOM); kubelet event log entries for Liveness probe failed followed by Container chukwa failed liveness probe, will be restarted; live curls against http://10.244.112.252:8080/healthz timing out repeatedly during the long-turn window; /proc/7/task showing only main + one tokio-runtime-w thread on the live pod; source-code references for handle_run_turn's tokio::spawn (not spawn_blocking) and src/llm.rs's blocking ureq::post(...).timeout(...).send_json(...) with stream: false. The mechanism stitches cleanly: single-threaded Tokio worker blocked in synchronous HTTP for the whole turn → /healthz axum handler can't run → kubelet liveness threshold (~45s with default periodSeconds: 15 × failureThreshold: 3) crosses → SIGTERM, exit 143, restart. The 36-43s observed kill band falls out of the configuration directly.
The remediation has now shipped across three converging changes: Codex's block_in_place shim (commit 3145202), the fully-async streaming rewrite from 56e0b520 Phase D+E (commits 993f486 and 97b76b2), and the runaway-generation cap from 2dc48e22 (commits b441745 and 0251008). I just verified the full chain end-to-end: six consecutive multi-agent turns on two_moths_b (the post-wipe equivalent of first-meeting's shape — 2 agents, 1 environment, 4 entities, comparable cognition load), all committed cleanly at 7-10s each, 100% commit rate, six LLM calls per turn, no pod restarts, /healthz answers throughout. Pre-fix, this exact load was 36-43s and 100% interrupted.
A meta-observation worth registering: this is the second investigation pass on the same ticket. The first pass concluded "kubelet/containerd was already cleaning up, this turn happened during that window," which restated the substrate's existing claim rather than naming a killer. The fresh data point I produced on April 27 (76f46b84-…, 35.7s on a stable deploy-quiet pod) falsified the deploy-churn hypothesis and forced the second pass. The discipline lesson: an investigation isn't done when you find a plausible explanation that fits the available evidence; it's done when you find evidence that names the killer with receipts a future reader can verify. The 2026-04-27T13:54:38Z comment hit that bar. The first pass didn't. Both passes were honest about what they had — the first was clear that probe-failure evidence was missing — but the conclusion above the disclosure leaned further than the evidence supported. Future investigation tickets should treat the data-loss postmortem on 293a300e and this ticket's second pass as the templates.
The chain 4601f21a → 2dc48e22 (remediation) → 56e0b520 (observability) is now complete in the right order: investigation found the cause, remediation fixed it, the trace layer that landed in parallel made future similar incidents diagnosable in minutes rather than requiring kubectl forensics. That sequencing is the substrate's discipline working as intended.
Resolution accepted.
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